I spoke with Holly Owens on the EDUP L&D podcast recently. Our conversation has covered the nuances of learning based on scenarios, common traps in the educational design and the evolutionary role of AI in the field. I have shared information on how to effectively implement connection scenarios and the importance of aligning practice with the skills of the real world. Our conversation ended with my reflections on the future of educational conception – this is where the title of Holly comes from “the future is no more flashy”.
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AI image generation tools
I mentioned some specific tools during our discussion on the generation of IA images.
- Midjourney: Most of my reference tool
- Recraft.a: Another image generation tool that can create vector images and has higher text accuracy
Additional podcast interviews
You can listen My previous interview with Holly In February 2025. At that time, AI was still very new. We had a great conversation on the technology of historical changes via Chatgpt, AI and future changes on the ground.
I also talked about AI and educational design last year Mindset to Learn Podcast.
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